OCATV food destinations?

[winter_rules]

I know of Little Lukies, Nice-n-Easy in Richland, Altmar hotel (I believe?) as places you can ride your ATV to on the Oswego County ATV trail system.  Are there any other places?

[JoeR]

I just got the OCATV newsletter tonight.  They say the trail to Jefferson County is open and marked...but I don't know where it goes yet.  I think the Lorraine Hotel has food too.  I may try to ride up there on Tuesday.  Hopefully the trail is clearly marked.

As an interesting side note, they are discussing banning 2 stroke ATVs and dirt bikes, as they believe they are too loud. People are complaining.  Of course it's not 2 stroke vehicles, but modified exhausts that are making all the noise..and the 4 strokes are quite a bit louder than 2 strokes when you put a pipe on them. 

Joe

On edit: Oh! You can get to Ponderosa in Pulaski too.

[JZO]

JoeR

I find this very interesting on the roads being open into Jefferson County since one of the reasons we reprinted the maps was to take the roads off between the counties. I was going to do yard work today but I guess I'll head for Barnes Corners to check this out. We did open the roads into Lorraine and you can get to the Lorraine Hotel. I was surprised to find out the number of folks that told me that they would on Saturday nights ride to the hotel for something to eat. So I went over and had a burger and fries and it was pretty good. I have since spoke with the owner about fuel for wheelers as he does have a tank but isn't  selling fuel at this time.

[Snotime]

JoeR

I find this very interesting on the roads being open into Jefferson County since one of the reasons we reprinted the maps was to take the roads off between the counties. I was going to do yard work today but I guess I'll head for Barnes Corners to check this out. We did open the roads into Lorraine and you can get to the Lorraine Hotel. I was surprised to find out the number of folks that told me that they would on Saturday nights ride to the hotel for something to eat. So I went over and had a burger and fries and it was pretty good. I have since spoke with the owner about fuel for wheelers as he does have a tank but isn't  selling fuel at this time.

Why does it interest you. If you guys had shared the money, OCATV would probably be a member of the system.

[himiler]

Why does it interest you. If you guys had shared the money, OCATV would probably be a member of the system.

I guess I'm at somewhat of a lose here because I thought this monster club thing was to open a large riding area into 3 counties,and all this does is make the tree huggers happy that we're arguing amongst ourselves.

[JoeR]

Why does it interest you. If you guys had shared the money, OCATV would probably be a member of the system.

I know nobody here owes me a favor...but I'm going to ask one anyway.

Before it happens....PLEASE don't gang up on JZO for the actions of the ATV Association(that happened the last time we discussed this).  He's not their official Rep, but he is a great source of info for all of us on it.
JZO, PLEASE don't take these comments personally.  As the messenger, you're going to hear people's reactions...good and bad.

Snotime, I agree with your point on the Trail Permit Fees not being evenly distribued between the clubs.  That something that needs to be worked out if this thing is to continue growing. 
JZO, I know you've defended that in the past, but the argument is pretty weak.  I think you know a Permit that gives multi-County access should benefit all the participating clubs.  Not just the ones that are in Lewis County.  When you defend it, put you flame suit on!  cuz it's gonna get heated.

Himiler, the ATV Association has opened up more riding areas (although not a huge amount yet), but more importantly it is linking the clubs together.  I'm looking forward to the time when I can ride 300 miles off road before turning for home.  It's not here yet, but I'm confident we'll see it soon.  Some of the discussions have gotten heated.  Unfortunately people are less civil when they hide behind a monitor.  It is crummy that we attack each other though, especially when we could really benefit from unity.

JZO, as the other guys are wondering...so am I.   If you're surprised the OCATV is linking to other trail systems, I believe it is strictly because they want to expand their own riding, like any club would. They didn't want the linked roads to be on the map because they don't want non-members riding their trails. 

Joe

[himiler]

  I didn't want my comment to sound like an attack by no  means,sorry. My remark was just as you said ...." we could all benefit from unity"

[JoeR]

  I didn't want my comment to sound like an attack by no  means,sorry. My remark was just as you said ...." we could all benefit from unity"

No need for an apology.  You were being cool about it.  I was just trying to prevent it before it happened.  Last time we went down this road we kinda killed the messenger....myself included.

Joe

[Snotime]

I guess I'm at somewhat of a lose here because I thought this monster club thing was to open a large riding area into 3 counties,and all this does is make the tree huggers happy that we're arguing amongst ourselves.

Tell me this Art. If you were a member of a club that busted their butts to open up an area to ATV's, spent gobs of time lobbying with all different ranks of government to do so, then was invited to join a multi county club but was told none of the permit fees would leave the county of origin the first year, would you think it to be such a great prospect? OCATV club was up and running long before the Lewis County club even started their trail system. They have a solid member base of over 1000 people. They were basically asked to open their trails to permit holders and non OCATV club members with no reimbursement. Now you have the damage of possibly another 1000+ people pounding your trails on a regular basis with no incoming revenue to justify the damage. I'm 100% behind them in not joining this system when it was proposed in such an unfair way. With over 90 miles of trail, OCATV club is one of the biggest areas in NYS to ride and would of been a great asset to the Lewis County club as well as could have linked the system with the Oswego Valley club had they been offered a share of the profits. Maybe in the future they can iron this out and join in the 3 county system but under the circumstances, at this time they made the right decision  IMO.

[himiler]

   The way you've put it maybe Lewis cty should have followed the OCATV lead and maybe asked to be part of there system,instead of starting there own? Either way,in the future I do think working together is a better thing for all involved.

[JZO]

GOOD MORNING TO ALL

Everyone has some great ideas and concerns on what should have happen but didn't.

With this being the first year of the permit none of our clubs are receiving any permit money. We choose as a group not to take any monies to allow the funds to build and be used where needed. As we move forward we suggested changes that we would like to see made to the automated system and it takes money.

I will say a lot of discussion went into the program and one of the big issue is that the OCATV trail system was a private trail system. How would the private land owners take opening the trail system as a public trail system? I know that the members of OCATV have done a great job in building their trails in which I have ridden on a invite from Steve. So I do understand the issues and will work with the clubs to build a trail system.

I know you are tired of me saying but when the Trail Program started all counties had the option of joining forces. The elected officials choose not to join forces.  I did attend a ATV meeting at the Mexico truck stop about a month a go and the impression I left with from the elected officials is that they are not ready yet to jump on the wagon. I Will say that they did come to the meeting and are very interested in what the ATV groups are doing.

I think it's great that OCATV has worked their way into Jefferson County to expand the area for riders to enjoy. The only issue that I hope they have worked out on how they will handle the riders that ride south that are not a OCATV member. Everyone knows that rider have a habit to follow the signs to look for more riding areas.

I hope that everyone will post their issues and concerns on the new trail system as it will help us to move forward. I don't mind reading negative views I just wish with it a solution would also be posted. I once sat in a command meeting when someone stated to the commander about a problem he was having. The commander told this individual that when you bring a issue to the table bring along a suggested solution, I kind of like that out look. As we move forward and work as a team things will get better and we will have a trail system we can all enjoy.

[himiler]

  Again my concern is more of a question,than an issue. I didn't understand what happened before an didn't why Lewis cty club did what they did. I guess if I had an issue with a solution,yes I would present it.
  I was originally saying that working together gets more done,and by standing apart your opponent picks the small groups off one-by-one.

[JZO]

Due to the heavy rains this morning we passed on doing any trail work so I took off with the Honda for a days ride. I dropped off of route 26 and Limburg Fork road, west Carthage. Went up through Champion and into Barnes corners and topped off my machine. Made my way to Lorraine and rode the loop on route 189 that NYTRO North has constructed. Stopped and spoke wit Mike (president of NYTRO north) before heading over to Winona forest. Spent about a hour riding the Trails and made my way down to P1 parking on Wart road. I believe I came out to route 13 and didn't see any kind of markings going towards Oswego. I had to head towards home for a meeting this evening. I got back to my truck a little before loaded up and made the 2 mile drive home. Even with the rain it was a good day of riding and put on just over a 100 miles.

[captgriz]

  One of the big issues I haven't seen here is the Oswego Club has concern that if they join the Assoc. would they be subject to any of Krugs or his Kronnies lawsuits?  I know I have spoke with Steve on this issue more than once and the bottom line is after these frivilious and costly to the taxpayer suits the clubs have come back stronger and more united than ever.  Krug has only made us dot the i and cross the t, his reputation and his followers has been spread far and wide as to their dislike for any recreation, progress or economic impacts into the areas.  This July 10th will be another Supreme Court hearing into the legality of opening town roads connecting to county and private lands, this was brought on by a disgruntled town board member who was voted against and possibly did not meet her own agenda, a poor excuse for representing the people.

[himiler]

  One of the big issues I haven't seen here is the Oswego Club has concern that if they join the Assoc. would they be subject to any of Krugs or his Kronnies lawsuits?  I know I have spoke with Steve on this issue more than once and the bottom line is after these frivilious and costly to the taxpayer suits the clubs have come back stronger and more united than ever.  Krug has only made us dot the i and cross the t, his reputation and his followers has been spread far and wide as to their dislike for any recreation, progress or economic impacts into the areas.  This July 10th will be another Supreme Court hearing into the legality of opening town roads connecting to county and private lands, this was brought on by a disgruntled town board member who was voted against and possibly did not meet her own agenda, a poor excuse for representing the people.

  The town of W. Turin ?