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« on: July 02, 2007, 06:48:27 AM »

Rumblings over ATV park proposal
Environmentalists, riders set to square off over planned facility in Adirondack State Park

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2007, 07:27:33 AM »

The pesimist in me says that this will never happen. :-(
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2007, 09:22:46 AM »

Damn tree huggeers..... TAKE IT!
We need to look into this deeper and get involved.
I didn't read in the article about a public meeting, or did I miss it? we should hookup the trailers in large amounts and jam up the roads and parking lots for this one.
Someone has to start taking notice (and listen and do something about it) that we deserve riding areas!!

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2007, 09:44:39 AM »

Damn tree huggeers..... TAKE IT!
We need to look into this deeper and get involved.
I didn't read in the article about a public meeting, or did I miss it? we should hookup the trailers in large amounts and jam up the roads and parking lots for this one.
Someone has to start taking notice (and listen and do something about it) that we deserve riding areas!!
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I'm all for that. Show up, showing how much time, money & energy we have invested in our past-time so they can see that we're well invested.

I'm in.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2007, 10:10:08 AM »

Rumblings over ATV park proposal
Environmentalists, riders set to square off over planned facility in Adirondack State Park 
 
By BRIAN NEARING, Staff writer
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First published: Monday, July 2, 2007
 
JOHNSBURG -- A patch of Adirondack forest could reverberate with the sound of engines under a plan to create a 700-acre park for all-terrain vehicles, which would be the first such facility in the six-million-acre state park.
   
The proposal for land off Route 28 is drawing questions from the Adirondack Park Agency, criticism from environmentalists and support from ATV riders who have long complained that the state takes registration fees while barring the vehicles from public land in the Adirondacks.

A proposal by Queensbury Falls residents Richard and Karen Mohring for a Glen Creek Road site filed in April with the park agency calls for about 30 miles of backcountry ATV trails, along with six tracks, including a drag strip, and more than 150 camping sites, six rental cabins and four single-family homes.

The park agency is taking a close look, as shown by an 11-page letter filled with follow-up questions on the project.

"The potential for significant adverse impacts to these sensitive resources from the large-scale, intensive development is very real," wrote Deputy Director Mark Sengenberger.

Environmental groups and ATV advocates appear poised to square off. This week, the Residents' Committee to Protect the Adirondacks opposed the plan.

"This type of outdoor motor sports facility is an intensive and abusive activity that is not suitable for this land or for the Adirondack Park," said committee Executive Director Peter Bauer. "The soils are easily eroded, the property contains many steep slopes and extensive wetlands, borders Forest Preserve, necessitates the crossing of Glen Creek Road, and the noted trout stream Mill Creek/Beaver Brook meanders through the property."

Gregg Urspung, an engineer from Saratoga Associates representing the Mohrings, had no comment Thursday.

But Bob Ski, executive director of the New York State Power Sport Dealers Association, said ATV owners need places to ride because the state bars them from three million acres of public land.

"Unless we form a managed program for this activity, sometimes ATV riders may be someplace where they should not be," said Ski, who is an adviser to the New York State Off-Highway Recreational Vehicle Association. "Trespass goes away if you provide the opportunity to recreate."

In a state with more than 143,000 registered ATVs, there are six private ATV parks. Ski said more than 30,000 new vehicles are sold each year, but about 20,000 owners let their registrations lapse out of frustration.

Brian Nearing can be reached at 454-5094 or by e-mail at bnearing@timesunion.com.
 
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2007, 07:28:25 PM »

Damn tree huggeers..... TAKE IT!
We need to look into this deeper and get involved.
I didn't read in the article about a public meeting, or did I miss it? we should hookup the trailers in large amounts and jam up the roads and parking lots for this one.
Someone has to start taking notice (and listen and do something about it) that we deserve riding areas!!
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Wrong angle PJ.... Money talks to State Government not much else. Someone needs to get the numbers together on what riders spend verses what hikers and the like spend in the local economy. Everything needs to be able to be backed up and crossreferenced or it's just babble like the treehuggers spew.

No need to bring the machines... just facts and figures.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2007, 07:34:57 PM »

well i cantell ya this when we were at snirt it cost me almost 400 dollars gas food lodging for 2 people , an they said there were almost 1200 atv at that ride do the math
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2007, 08:01:11 PM »

well i cantell ya this when we were at snirt it cost me almost 400 dollars gas food lodging for 2 people , an they said there were almost 1200 atv at that ride do the math


I know what is spent but unless some agency like the Lewis County Chamber of Commerce is willing to put it in writing we can recite what we all spend on outings at every hearing that concerns ATVs or whatever the treehuggers are targeting at the time and it's just unsubstantiated hearsay that can be shot down by their 8X10 glossies of tire tracks and erosion.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 04:31:17 PM »

The numbers are all there for anyone to see.  The problem is that they do not care about the money.  They are more concerned about political fallout from the enviro-nazis.  I spoke at the DEC hearings, in Tupper Lake, when they first implemented the registration hike to $25.  I quoted all the $$ numbers regarding the Hatfield - McCoy trail system in WV, and the economic impact of the trail systems in Quebec.  Does anyone listen?  Unfortunately, the answer clearly seems to be no....  The real answer is for the ATV mfg's, and powersports industry dealers, to hire lobbyists, and spend $$ getting politicians in their pockets, the way that environmental groups do.  The $$ impact needs to be in the politician's personal coffers, ie. reelection campaign funds.  We also need to vote as a block to oust those who would restrict our riding access.  If you voted for Spitzer, look in the mirror and give yourself a wake up smack.....  The alternative was not great, but clearly less anti-atv than Spitzer.  And, look who Spitzer puts in key areas of the APA, DEC.... People who go on record as saying that powersports have NO PLACE in the APA.  I hope that we all remember this at re-election time.
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